An interview with
Post office: Snow, Oklahoma
Investigator Field Worker's name: Johnson H. Hampton
Date of Interview: June 9, 1937
Transcribed & Submitted by Teresa Young
I was born in Nashoba County, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory, some time in
1867, I donít know just what month and the day I was born but I have been
told that it was in the year 1867.
Fatherís name was Lawton Benjiman, and my motherís name was Jane Benjiman.
My father and mother did not come from Mississippi, they were born and
reared in this country.
My father was not in the Civil War. I donít think he was as he never spoke
of it nor he did even talk about the war to us kids, nor I donít know
whether my grandfather was in the Civil War. My grandfather was from
Mississippi and when he came over he located in what was known as Eagle
County. He lived there until his death; he and my grandmother both died
After my grandfather died, my father moved from there and located in Nashoba
County, where I was born. He lived there until his death.
That country at that time was nothing but wilderness. There were a few
Indians who lived in that part of that country, but it was at that time far
away from anywhere. There was no post office there then but after a few
years they established a post office there and named it Nashoba. It was
Indian Territory yet when this post office was established.
All of the Indians lived in log houses with puncheon floors. There was no
lumber they could get so they would go out and split logs and make floors
out of them.
My grandfatherís name was Yammitubbee. That was his Choctaw name. He did not
have a surname, I donít know what my grandmotherís name was. I have
We had a hard time making a living. We had a little farm like the rest of
the Indians in the country and we raised corn enough for our bread, and make
some garden stuff to eat, but we did not have any flour, coffee, and sugar.
There were no stores in the country so we had to go to Fort Smith to get our
groceries. My father would go and get the groceries maybe twice a year, for
it was too far to make the trip too often. We had corn that mother made meal
out of for our bread. She would put this corn in a Tom Fuller block, as it
was called by some Indians, it was a mortar. She would beat this corn and
make meal out of it. That is what we ate all the time. When we got some
flour, we ate it only on Sundays, then for mornings only. We had to be
saving with flour, sugar and coffee. When we got out of coffee, mother would
parch some corn and make coffee out of it and it was good to drink. It was
not as good as coffee but it answered the purpose.
Mother would go out and dig up some roots that she called Lokchok ahi or mud
potatoes. She would boil them like they boil Irish potatoes now. They were
round like Irish potatoes and we would roast them in the fire and eat them
like potatoes and they were good eating.
We did not have many cattle, hogs and ponies. I think that every Indian had
some stock but it was not worth anything for there was no market for them,
but they would sell some of them to live on. They would get about $5.00 for
yearlings and $10.00 for cows, and the ponies were not worth anything at
My mother had a spinning wheel and we raised a little cotton and at night we
would pick the seeds out of it, and then mother would spin it into threads.
She would make a big ball of it, then she would put in the weaver and weave
cloth out of which she made our shirts and breeches, and she would make
socks and mittens which she sold to the Indians who wanted them. She used
some kind of a weed, and bark of trees and Bois dí arc chips for dyes. How
she fixed them I donít know, but she would dye them and they looked like the
clothes that are bought out of stores now. She would sell them to the
Indians, but what she got I donít know. I donít think she got much for them
for the Indians did not have much money with which to buy anything.
I was appointed County Ranger and served for several years. The appointment
was made by one of the District Chiefs, just the same as the Light Horsemen
were appointed and I had like power and authority as they to make arrests
when necessary. After my time expired I never was appointed nor elected to
I never played in the Indian Ball games but I have seen them play. The older
heads would not let us younger boys play. They said that we would get hurt
so I did not get to play at all.
I never attended school so I am not able to read or speak the English
language, but I can read and write in my own language just about as well as
I am a full blood Indian, Choctaw, and lived among them all of my life.
There used to be lots of Indians but many of them are dead. There are now a
few full-bloods, and the way it looks they wonít last very many more years
unless something unforeseen happens.
We used to have some old Indian relics years ago but we did not take care of
them. We did not know that they would be worth something in the future. We
used to have some pots and pottery that an old Indian woman made for us,
that we should have saved and given them to the Historical Society, but we
did not know, so we didnít keep them.
The Indians in this country did not have a burial ground. When one died, he
was buried near the house. No markers were put over his grave, but they
would build a little house or a shed over it to keep it from getting rained
on, and to keep it preserved until they had their memorial or the cry. Of
late years they began to have cemeteries for their dead, and these are
mostly at the church grounds now.
I am an Indian preacher, belonging to the Methodist church. I have preached
all over the country to the Indians, preached to them in our own language,
for I am not able to speak any other language, only Choctaw. They generally
camped at these meetings, maybe two or three camp houses would be built for
that purpose. The meeting lasted about three days. The campers would feed
all Indians who came to the meeting, or white people, who came. No one was
turned down when the time came to eat.
I am now living north of Snow, about twenty-five miles northeast of Antlers,
Transcribed & Submitted by Teresa Young
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